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posted by CitizenPatriot at 3:18:00 PM
Tuesday, October 07, 2008
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409 Comments:
BAROCK THE VOTE!!!
7:33 PM
Zach,
Obama is ahead, but Mac has been called the "comeback kid"
Tonight is a big night for him!
7:35 PM
Bengala is the best! so is CNN HD.
7:40 PM
Begala is funny. A former clinton advisor. A HUGE Obama fan
7:41 PM
Elbaum-
What's going on. I was reading something about the debate and then totally remembered that you were probably blogging about it and was very interested in what Seniors in high school have to say about it as opposed to the people I will be talking to about the debate.
In terms of the debate,
It's getting to the point of no return for McCain. His Palin surge is dieing out because she hasn't been able to continue to increase the excitement and so he doesn't have the Big Mo! If McCain doesn't come out swinging tonight, it's gonna be hard for him to make it out of the gate later on.
7:44 PM
Jay! Welcome back!
I'm with you on McCain. A tie is a loss for him (remember me saying that about Hillary last year).
FYI. I showed this clip in class today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ffbFvKlWqE
Who will have a "Clinton connection" moment like this today? Who will seem out of touch?
7:47 PM
i dont see how a 70+ year old millionaire whose wife wears $300,000 outfits can connect to the average middle class american.
7:50 PM
almost time. yay!
7:54 PM
hey mr. elbaum i actually figured out ur blog!
i'll be watching the debate, but i'll tell you if i don't understand that cuz u said i'm good at telling you haha
7:57 PM
Ok Molly- We're here to make the complex simple!
Enjoy the debate
7:58 PM
Mac loves the Townhall format!
7:59 PM
i smell an Obama victory tonight Elbaum
7:59 PM
Kersky, Will Obama be Bush or Clinton from that Clip today?
8:01 PM
i think McCain has to really kick butt tonight....
8:01 PM
he'll be Clinton for sure!
8:01 PM
only 80 voters
8:02 PM
Will Mac even look at BO during the debate?
Will Obama use the word "victory"?
Will Mac say "Middle Class"?
8:03 PM
what could he possibly be writing down already?
8:04 PM
love this guys glasses...
8:04 PM
I've noticed obama says thank you alot
8:04 PM
I'm watching at hulu.com, so I should be able to blog as we go. =D
8:05 PM
Obama says the word middle class.
8:06 PM
Hi becky!
8:06 PM
that aig thing is absolutely ridiculous..not only should they be fired but there bonuses should definitely be taken back
8:06 PM
I think Mac's first answer was very Clinton-like
"I feel your pain!!!!"
8:07 PM
i totally agree wioth Marnie. And, i kinda like McCain's answer now....
8:08 PM
Marnie,
How can the govt fire people in a private company???
8:08 PM
absolutely not. it's more of a "yeah, it's hurting the american people", but i'm doing just fine with my 12461289746 houses and cars.
8:08 PM
McCain's connecting well right now... Obama needs to step it up.
8:08 PM
that's funny/ironic elbaum, cus didn't you say this is the same type of debate clinton did well in that made everyone including bush41 know bush had no chance
8:09 PM
mcCain is totally connecting much better right now
8:09 PM
Mac says that he'd put an Obama supporter on his cabinet as Treasury Sec.
Hmmm
8:10 PM
i think mccain definitely got people's attention...
8:10 PM
yeah, i know that's why i said should be fired which clearly won't happen though considering the owner was obviously just as involved
8:11 PM
i love how no one really answers the questions.
8:12 PM
Obama is doing a good job appealing to the people. Macs trying, but he just doesn't connect.
and haha, "cronies"
8:12 PM
OHH SNAP. Mac goes after BO for having shady friends.
IT's ON!!!
8:13 PM
McCain didn't even come close to answering that question. He is talking about what happened, not what he will do to fix it. The questions demanded specifics and was given none.
8:13 PM
i know. I wish they really would just answer the question
8:13 PM
McCain with no American flag on his lapel...subtle yet noticeable
8:13 PM
Ah! It's so hard to listen and comment at the same time!
(Hi, Olivia!)
8:13 PM
going after friends...very nice. not
8:13 PM
hahaha the gloves have come off
8:14 PM
McCain just did the "Step towards the person" strat. Now all we need is to see him make the "I just got served" Bush face.
8:14 PM
Ka-POW "not surprisingly"
8:14 PM
"I've got to correct a little bit of senator mac's history...not surprisingly" THE GLOVES ARE OFF!
8:15 PM
Oh, diss... "I'm going to have to correct some of Senator McCain's history, not surprisingly..."
8:15 PM
Rose,
That face was pretty funny
8:15 PM
i hate that condescending smile of mac's
8:16 PM
obama is doing pretty good right now.
and it is soooo on.
8:16 PM
Hmmmm....but the economy still needs to stabilize.
8:16 PM
i think Obamas weak...
hes just a liberal elitist that knows nothing about real world america. All he cares about is hope and change, but most americans just care about fueling their car or keeping their job. his talk is too idealistic. also, he is way tooooo liberal. he voted in a liberal way about 98% in the senate. America is about coming to a compromise. If he becomes president, well see the same old washington and absolutely no change...hes all talk, no substance
8:18 PM
The economy is going to get worse before it gets better.
Mr. E - How long does it take for a plan to be put into action once its concieved? (On average)
8:18 PM
it's all about getting rid of the "cronie-ism"
mac praising the workers, "innocent bystanders"
8:18 PM
Twice McCain has used "crony". Chance he brings up Obama's friendship with some people less than admirable?
8:18 PM
Dammit. My streaming video thing froze up for twenty seconds, and I missed a whole chunk of Obama's speech.
8:19 PM
Obama's narrative:
McCain=Bush
The man knows how to stay on message
8:20 PM
obama is absolutely not an elitist. he, if anything is exactly what the republicans want americans to do. he was not well off as a child and managed to pull himself up "by the bootstraps" which is the republicans response to everything. he has worked hard in his political career to make change because that is what the american people want. eight years of economic ruin is enough. things need to take a turn for the better and improve.
8:20 PM
D-Rose...Great question. Depends on the plan. This "bailout" plan will be pretty quick in execution
8:21 PM
GO OBAMA
the day i have some old guy as president is the day i move to canada
8:21 PM
my mom likes obama because she thinks that he can talk to everyone
8:21 PM
Ariel and Alina
Obama is inexperienced..He;s got NO foreign policy experience.
Please defend him on that issue
8:22 PM
i think that's a big and very good point of obamas. People don't like bush. Obviously. people do not want another bush government. If people believe McCain is bush, why will they vote for hime
note: I am NOT saying mccain is bush
8:22 PM
It seems as if McCain is taking speaking tactics right from clinton.
McCain needs to stop attacking Obama and answer the questions...
8:23 PM
Pork Barrel:
Federal money for local projects
8:23 PM
obama might not, but what about biden?
8:23 PM
steffi, that's all he can do, talk
8:23 PM
You haven't gotten to pork barrel yet E?
8:23 PM
D-Rose,
I like the attacks man. He needs a big win
8:23 PM
then move to canada
8:23 PM
Mac's connecting now. He looks straight at the people he's talking to.
8:23 PM
tom.....joe biden has plenty though
therefore the obama administration will not be lacking in the foreign policy department. look it up.
8:24 PM
he doesnt need to have foreign policy experience, thats why he picked biden, who is a foreign policy boss
8:24 PM
obama looks fresh and new, but if you look at his record he is the perfect example of a partisan politician. he is so way to the left. and when has he made change????? When has he really acted on change and hope? tons of hope in his speeches, but actions?
8:24 PM
the attacks are nice, but I want to hear his actual opinion not just a stream of attacks
8:25 PM
what exactly is clean coal technology?
8:25 PM
So you liberals defend your guys lack of FP experience in a Post 9/11 world by pointing to his VP?
WHy not Biden for President then?
That's all you guys got??? This guy is a Freshman
8:25 PM
"Just like a family has to prioritize." That's good connection right there.
8:26 PM
How effective is the Vice President really? Cheney was one of the most influence but will that trend continue? Will Palin/Biden have as much as role in policy making or are they merely there to help pull in certain states and certain voters?
8:26 PM
ELBAUM!!!! !he brought up the gas price of the region....you called it.
8:26 PM
the democrats control congress so why does obama keep blaming the repub/mccain for the deficit
aside from the fact that he's ignorant
8:27 PM
Exactly where im at. Attacks are nice but i want answers to these questions.
8:27 PM
okay, defiently agree with Obama. Energy is soooo priorty number one.
8:27 PM
Is it more effective to look at the one person who asks the question, or to look at the entire audience?
8:28 PM
the talk is getting to the people though. mentioning the gas price and education makes it easier for people who aren't into politics more reletable
8:28 PM
"we" liberals are not defending his lack of FP knowledge but rather proving there is plenty of FP experience that will be in the White House.
8:28 PM
so i guess there is no example of Obama making any change? hmmm...again, hes all talk. and people say palin has no substance
8:28 PM
mccain is getting gutted like a fish
8:29 PM
mccain is actually doing awesome
8:29 PM
agreed, mccain is doing really well
8:30 PM
spending freeze???
what about education?
and the number of veterans is growing...
8:30 PM
i think both have very good points
8:30 PM
McCain the multi-tasker
8:30 PM
Way to go macdaddy
8:31 PM
really anonymous???? not according to every single analyst on CNN. Oh, but im sure you are more of an expert on debates then the former presiidentaial advisors who are the analysts.
8:31 PM
drill baby drill
8:32 PM
off shore drilling for sure! until we find efficient alternative fuel sources.
8:32 PM
mr e... sorry but men can't multi task
8:32 PM
Ouch..I'm rooting for Obama, but he just faltered baddddd. He lost his flow for a second there.
Do we only need clean coal tech. though? Aren't there other alternatives that we can use?
8:32 PM
yes, yes i am.
8:32 PM
drill? that's the worst idea i have ever heard
8:32 PM
His ears are big!...doubling the peace corps...sounds like it will cost
8:33 PM
obama's trying to emphasize the incorporation of today's youth in our society. very cool.
8:33 PM
Obama's favorite word is "and." I really really really liked what he just said about the army and volunteering.
8:33 PM
i like obama's idea of the bigger expansion of the peace core
8:34 PM
good point of obama's abotu all contributing
8:35 PM
if you dont need help, then you get to pay more tax. sounds like fun
8:35 PM
Mac called Obama Herbert Hoover!!!
WOW!
8:36 PM
THATS THE BUSH LOOK ON OBAMA RIGHT NOW
8:36 PM
point for mccain...relating obama's plans to those of herbert hoover
8:36 PM
anonymous, i'd rather that then people who do need help paying more taxes
8:36 PM
yeah yeah
obama has the bush look!
8:37 PM
wow, mccain, wow. that was good!
8:37 PM
i remembering discussing about the small business tax cuts in class
8:37 PM
mccain just called out obama with that no taxes with a bad economy line. how will he respond
8:37 PM
Wouldn't doubling the tax refund put us in further national debt? Am I just completely lost?
8:37 PM
ha...they won't let obama speak
8:38 PM
ooo no chance for obama to respond. but obama's doing the palin strategy and changing the topic of the new question
8:39 PM
Obama's on the defense...not a good sign
8:39 PM
I think that if Mac is elected, he'll find that he CAN'T completely cut spending. It would be a very bad move if he doesn't help the people who need help. It would make more sense to increase taxes on the wealthy, tighten loopholes in corporation tax laws, etc, so that the government has more money with which to fund necessary programs.
8:40 PM
i think obama's going to blast back to mccain
8:40 PM
elbaum...wrong call on macs outfit for tonight
8:41 PM
Yea Obama. You make 250k your taxes gotta go up!
Fair is Fair!
8:41 PM
say it like clinton did in 92 obama... trickle down econ doesn't work
8:41 PM
i agree with Becky. There's no way we can completely cut spending
8:41 PM
i want to be poor if obama wins because then the governments going to do everything for me
8:41 PM
did obama forget that producing taxes for big bussinesses will just increase competitiveness making more jobs..
8:41 PM
um didn't we have a democratic congress for half of the past 8 years?
and mccain namedropping reagan, one of the greatest presidents of all time
8:41 PM
mccain is addressing the audiance as "my friends". doin it on purpose?
8:42 PM
and how long has mccain been in washington for? obama has barely had any time to actually take on the party leaders... what a stupid comment by mccain
8:42 PM
Is anyone watching this debate on CNN? What is the chart in the middle depicting?
8:42 PM
unbelievable...obama love fest in here
8:43 PM
Congress has only been democratic for the past 2 years not four, it switched at the midterm elections, not at the end of Bush's first term
8:43 PM
not that unbelievable..just a bunch of liberal parents raising their kids in illinois
8:43 PM
STOP CALLING ME YOUR FRIEND MCCAIN!!!!!
p.s the wonderful Ronald Reagan? please, trickle down does NOT work.
8:44 PM
McCain is distancing himself from Bush, and has mentioned Lieberman 3 times already...I'm gonna guess at least 3 more times throughout the debate
8:44 PM
mccain speaking from experience on nuclear power and energy reform...points
8:44 PM
No its just a liberal teacher brain washing his students
8:44 PM
mccain answered the environment question pretty well
8:44 PM
nuclear waste isnt very safe
8:45 PM
what's wrong with mccain saying friend? is being too friendly really the only thing you can find to insult?
8:45 PM
marnie. you don't know a thing about any of our parents or their political ideologies so that's an awfully big generalization.
8:45 PM
tax cuts for big business result in fat bonuses for CEOs and executives, not jobs
8:45 PM
mccain did a good job w/ the environmently q
8:46 PM
and i can find plenty to insult thank you very much.
8:46 PM
good point, elbaum is pretty liberal, he always focuses on the left side of the room
8:46 PM
ha 30 year problem...hes been there for 26...why does he need to be president to make a change?
8:46 PM
youre right it was a generalization, and some people are just purely ignorant, too
8:47 PM
i guess zolno and i aren't the only ones who think you're liberal elbaum.
8:47 PM
Mac still having a hard time looking at Obama
By the way, Obama attacking Mac plenty tonight.
8:47 PM
mccain vote against alternative fuels stat good... i agree our solution should not be to drill baby drill
8:47 PM
hahahaha. Marnie that was a low blow. He's not even in the debate!!! Lol.
8:47 PM
and what has obama done to promote alt. energy the last four years..nothing?
8:47 PM
so not only are we brain washed liberals but we're ignorant too? nice.
8:47 PM
and what has obama done to promote alt. energy the last four years..nothing?
8:48 PM
seems like the moderator is kinda slamming obama! won't let him respond and wants him to quit talking!
8:48 PM
way to diss half the people here without knowing us, marnie
8:48 PM
isn't the moderator a big fan of obama?...
8:49 PM
yeah the "my friends" thing is an attempt, but idk that it's working.
haha "you know who voted for it? That one"
interesting observation: i think both candidates are left-handed
8:49 PM
agreed. you're generalizing who we are as people based off of a few comments we've written down.
8:49 PM
Obama's RIGHT. We CAN'T drill our way out of the problem.
8:49 PM
predictions on whether Mac brings up Chicago corruption?
8:49 PM
Marnie fight for your rights, dont let the liberals take your rights away
8:50 PM
...i was wondering if anyone has found any examples of Obama changing washington? or have you conceded that hes the same politician with a 'new' mask...im still waiting, or is everyone going to avoid this question
8:50 PM
yes, but why are you saying 'we' it was just a generalization dont be so hard on yourself
8:50 PM
The moderator seems to be helping Mac. Not cool.
8:50 PM
so far on the cnn analyst cards obama is winning by a lot
8:50 PM
it was sarcasm. i was only defending that the liberals had been generalized.
8:50 PM
why is mccain walking around while obama is talking?
8:51 PM
Guaranteed E...I got my job at O'hare in a corrupt way haha
8:51 PM
Guaranteed E...I got my job at O'hare in a corrupt way haha
8:51 PM
i can't tell who is winning. they are both doing very well at certain parts
8:51 PM
Elbaum,
The story's too old. He can't make specific references because of its untimeliness. He made a comment about it earlier in the night but didn't get specific.
8:51 PM
tommy, cnn is biased towards obama. i don't think that's the most reliable source.
8:52 PM
Watch the fair and balanced coverage on Fox News the offical channel of the 2008 elecetions
8:52 PM
It's his senility. He got confused and forgot where he was. Lol
8:52 PM
yes, good job, it was a gerneralization clearly i do not know every single liberal in the us or this blog..
i will add overly sensitvie to my list of generalizations
8:52 PM
It really bothers me how bo keeps smirking while jm is speaking its kind of conceited, i mean honestly, so far his responses haven't been SUPERDUPERLY amazing or anything, and how come jm can't decide what to put first; education, economy, or energy. you have to prioritize, and you are obviously i don't think will be able to do all 3 @the same time.right now, america isn't the best, we were but now we're like ranked 23rd in math which is incredibly sad!!!!! =[ but i do think that jm wants to get us back to the way we used to be, but he isn't positive how.
8:53 PM
Elbaum a liberal? Maybe. Probably. But I think that in class, he tries to be fair and not "brainwash" ANYONE. In fact, I think he challenges the liberals more so than the conservatives.
8:53 PM
haha marnie, brilliant
8:53 PM
wow...all liberals must be the same...talk n talk, but dont back it up with their actions. i guess even obama fans cant find any examples of Obama changing something..someone just say that there are no examples
8:54 PM
how come jm can't decide what to put first; education, economy, or energy. you have to prioritize
completely and totally agree
8:54 PM
yes but the pundits aren't all liberal and they're the ones scoring
8:54 PM
McCain can't claim that you shouldn't have government intervention and then say go across state lines. Interstate commerce can be regulated.
8:54 PM
i was kidding about elbaum being liberal and the left comment was a reference to a story he told about his student teaching..even tho he probably is
8:55 PM
Jay,
He'll leave that to the ads like this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6SCJTJimcg
8:55 PM
I can't keep up with comments and watch! Ugh. I wish this was like a chatroom or something... It would be much easier.
8:55 PM
Visit his class 1st period when he is wearing His Obama pin
8:55 PM
McCain's health care plan is BS.
$5000 wont get anyone the right health care they need. It's not nearly enough money.
8:56 PM
first of all.....mac has a full time smirk on....and second i won't sink to the level of generalizing other people. i'm going to talk about the debate...not people's ideologies.
8:56 PM
THE MODERATOR IS HELPING MAC. WTH?!?!
8:56 PM
how is one supposed to know what each candidates real policies are since all they both do is deny the way in which the other candidate explains his policies? ohh and i think he should have said "right" there and not "responsibiltiy" i'd bet obama will say right and people will like that.
8:56 PM
1st period is not liberal are u kidding? we are clearly HEAVILY conservative... pfff
8:56 PM
i also heard elbaum supports kirk? true? if so i think that is really interesting, i hear he's a great guy..too moderate tho..basically a liberal
8:57 PM
How can he handle the white house when he cant follow the debate rules he came up with
8:57 PM
sorry to be mean but mccain has a little bit of trouble walking on stage and he's really slow and he said "goodies" which was kinda funny
i think he's too old fashioned to be presidnet and can't connect with the youth
8:57 PM
you can be a liberal and support kirk. also mark kirk was voted the most independent member of congress by the daily herald and congressional quarterly magazine.
8:58 PM
obama brought out the mom card. he's letting people sympathize with him. i think it's working
8:58 PM
obama makes his plan sound so good, but speaking of fine print, i'm just waiting for that from his plan...
8:58 PM
i do not think old fashioned is a bad trait at all
8:58 PM
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