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Last debate before Texas and Ohio! Big Night for HRC. Let's Blog
posted by CitizenPatriot at 7:18:00 PM
Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Last debate before Texas and Ohio! Big Night for HRC. Let's Blog
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267 Comments:
Elbaum-
What do you think will be the biggest issue that is covered tonight? Health care, War, Economy...
7:24 PM
Economy usually #1 in most polls. HRC will try to turn the debate to War/Foreign Policy...shows BO's inexperience and her knowledge...how about you?
7:29 PM
I would think so too and that Obama is gonna come out with some concrete issues to prove that he isn't merely an empty suite. What does Dodd's support do for Obama?
7:31 PM
Go Obama
7:32 PM
Dodd does have significant support amongst Hispanic voters...native Spanish speaker...could help in Texas
7:33 PM
You see Huck on SNL?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xvSXpM5qGmg
7:33 PM
Ok, so the Rezko trial starts next week, but besides living near where the conspiracy was taking place, does Obama actually have any connection to Rezko?
7:42 PM
Obama and Rezko had some real estate business dealings...Rezko also gave him like 50k for his campaign..money that Obama later gave to charity.
Rod Blagojevich has a much clearer, and potentially criminal, connection to Rezko.
7:48 PM
go to www.realclearpolitics and check out the polls on the right. Look how different things match up vs. Mac
7:50 PM
Will Obama play "prevent Defense"? Remember what Mike Ditka said about Prevent..."The only thing prevent defense prevents you from doing is to win"
7:57 PM
GAME TIME
8:00 PM
As my 7th grade soccer coach said, "the best offense is a good defense"
Take it to heart.
8:01 PM
I hate when they're sitting
8:02 PM
Shwinny...I wanna see BO attack. you don't?
8:02 PM
SHAME ON YOU... love it!
8:03 PM
BO can't attack because it goes against any criticisms of HRD that he does because she has been on the attack, not to mention he is winning so he will only attack Mac not HRD
8:04 PM
Im with you. BO goes after Mac. HRC goes after BO
8:04 PM
i hate hilhil
8:05 PM
Hil loves talking about health care...Democrats really want health care for all
8:06 PM
So it wasn't her campaign that released the picture?
8:06 PM
Who thinks Clinton knew that the photo was going up and that it was her staffers...? She is always playing politics, thats why a lot of people don't like her.
8:07 PM
that is such a lie that photo came from you completely hillary
8:07 PM
I think she knew
8:08 PM
Obama gets points for not going nuts about the picture..switched subjects to something of substance
8:08 PM
So..the point of universal healthcare is to provide everyone with healthcare..even people who can't afford it..so why would clinton say that people who couldn't pay would still have to pay?..that's not universal healthcare. that's what he's saying right?
8:09 PM
"We haven't whined about it" HAHA
8:09 PM
Yeah I wanna see Obama just take her down. It looks like any second now HRC is just slap BO...I'm fearing for him.
8:09 PM
meghan,
He's saying that health care should be cheaper to the poor.
She says it should be required for everyone to have health care..health care is free for the very very poor
8:10 PM
she completely knew that was such a lie but BO is so classy and just said he took her word...elbaum my dad agrees with you he changed subject
-hollander
8:10 PM
haha is myrtle rolling her eyes at you right now
8:10 PM
Hahaha look at hillary's face when BO is talking...she is like dont go there
8:12 PM
myrtle is swatching american idol!
In my opinion, Obama is taking more of a centrist path on health care...almost like he;s running in the general election already instead of a Democratic primary!
8:13 PM
Hilary is freaking out!!!
8:13 PM
If Obama does have a plan for universal healthcare and he SAYS that he has a plan for it..and it's proven that he has a plan for it..why does she keep saying that that he doesn't have a plan for it..if he obviously does..why would she keep saying that..?
8:13 PM
Lets not interrupt too much now HRC...
8:13 PM
Meghan, you're a Hil Hater, right???
8:14 PM
She's going to punch him
8:14 PM
hay mr elbaum, sorry im late, its spencer hartung
8:14 PM
yes i am
8:15 PM
Hillary is absolutely freaking out hahaha
8:15 PM
They should just go on American Gladiator, that's how this should be settled.
8:15 PM
I am a Hil hater as well lol
8:15 PM
hahaha i agree with shwinny haha
8:16 PM
How is Obama winning in polls in Texas when there is more Hispanic's voters and they tend to vote for Clinton?
8:16 PM
I bet elbaum secretly loves hil & is wearing a hot for hillary shirt right now
8:16 PM
This is getting MESSY with HRC just talking over BO
8:17 PM
Good question Kaycie,
the answer is that many voters change their minds based on who has the momentum..people like voting for a winner
8:18 PM
BO doesn't need to attack, remember, HRC needs to show that she is still strong, that is why she is freaking out and taking over
8:19 PM
Im going to punch her hahah shut up and answer the damn question
8:19 PM
this is great hillary is going crazy
8:19 PM
Love the SNL reference. BO gets all the easy questions!!!
8:19 PM
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8:19 PM
FYI- NAFTA is a free trade agreement (makes it easier for us to trade with other North American countries like MExico)
8:20 PM
hahahaha hilllll
8:20 PM
Here's what SNL reference HRC was talking about...check it out during a commercial
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JdpPj6UMG6A
8:21 PM
Shes being such a whiner!
"I always get the first question.. waah"
This wil be fun.
8:21 PM
Elbaum where do you believe HRC stands on NAFTA truly
8:22 PM
Meghan, why do you hate Hil?> Why such a hater???
8:22 PM
Josh,
Hard to say. I do know that if you want to claim "experience" because your hubby was the POTUS, then you need to take the hit for his not-so-popular policies also, ya know?
8:23 PM
I think she's a hypocrite & a flip flopper
8:23 PM
Ok im guessing its just me, but I cant find what channel the debate is on.
8:24 PM
right so you think that Bill being POTUS can actually hurt her in some ways?
8:24 PM
Fair enough
8:25 PM
I think it looks shady when she "cherrypicks"
8:25 PM
"You can look at what I have said consistently"
Good one Clinton!
8:25 PM
BO is the man
8:26 PM
Oh no wait, i found it!
Sorry
~natasa
8:26 PM
clinton is always shady- she is always playing politics and I think its a major downfall for her, the whole crying before primaries, the freaking out about the fliers, she doesn't really seem to care but is only doing what is necessary to get into Office, as we said in class, she is too contrived
8:26 PM
The way HRC is starting off this debate its not going well...shes completely on the defense after Tim Russert just bashed her about NAFTA
8:27 PM
agreeeed.
8:27 PM
good call from obama
8:28 PM
thank you meghan
8:28 PM
Jay and Meghan,
you two think she FAKED tears right before NH?????
8:28 PM
You don't just happen to cry right before multiple primaries, once maybe but not multiple times, it doesn't work like that, she knows how to control her self and if she didn't want to cry on national TV than she wouldn't, but she choose to cry
8:29 PM
she completely faked those tears...if you look back at her being senator she is very tough person who never showed that kind of emotion and the only reason why she did was to gain peoples sympathy
8:29 PM
What channel or network is the debate on?
8:29 PM
Pay attention to HRC's claim..are the moderators easier on BO??
8:30 PM
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8:30 PM
i think she definitely faked it
-davis
8:30 PM
she is trying to take advantage of peoples, especially womens emotions in order to get votes by crying, it may be a dirty tactic but it very well could work for her in some way.
8:31 PM
I'm watching MSNBC
8:31 PM
BO talks about so many things thats we need to do, but will he accually go through it? after his back stabing stunt to hil
8:31 PM
They are easier on BO because BO is making it easier for them, he isn't interrupting and cutting them off, hes playing by the rules and he is legitimacy less controversial, he hasn't flip flopped as much so his questions seem easier
8:31 PM
I agree with what everyone just posted about Clinton. I just think she'll do anything she can to win.
8:31 PM
HRC gets rough questions Elbaum..you're right
8:32 PM
BAM! Tim Russert strikes down HRC on the 30,000 jobs lost....OUCHHHHHHH
8:32 PM
I think they're easier on Obama because he has more straightforward answers and doesn't seem to flip flop on everything.
8:32 PM
Clinton is trying to cover up so much right now!
8:33 PM
5 million new jobs?? good luck.
8:33 PM
HRC for the Govt. creating jobs....very FDR NEW DEAL
8:33 PM
AMEN Meghan
8:33 PM
Is it my TV or is HRC getting redder and redder
8:34 PM
she doesnt know anything about bio fuels, in the long run they are worse than regular fossil fules because more are neccesary to run a vehicle or anything as compared to regular fossil fuels
8:34 PM
Elbaum - I'm surprised HRC didn't actually bring up the FDR again because she has already mentioned 3 previous POTUS. FDR, Truman, and I think Johnson, any thoughts as to why?
8:34 PM
she really doesnt know much about trying to get jobs for the people for ohio
8:34 PM
Obama speaks in terms that everyone can understand. He speaks his mind and makes things very flat out. HRC tip toes around all the issues and spends 45 minutes on her answers. Keeping it short is the best way to go so all of her viewers can stay focused
8:35 PM
C'mon...BO has NO experience...in a post 9/11 world, do you want a neophyte in the situation room?
8:35 PM
good point spencer
8:35 PM
oboma really know waht his pollicies are instead of trying to make himself look good by telling the people what they want to hear
8:36 PM
Jay,
She'll mention him if Social Security comes up again
8:36 PM
there is no chance is a damn good decision to let him comander and chief
8:37 PM
Obama was against Iraq from Day one...he will ride to the white house on that one speech!
8:37 PM
I think she keeps bring up all the past greats trying to compare to them. she keeps talking about her experiance but she needs more
natasa
8:37 PM
Here's the attack!
8:38 PM
man i want to just sock her in the face
8:38 PM
obama looks like he's making faces at hilary lol.
8:38 PM
This is where HRC can hit BO's weak spot it is true he has less experience...however she cannot ramble on for hours about it she has to be short sweet and to the point
8:38 PM
there's no question that she's got more experience...can anyone dispute that?
8:39 PM
she relies so much on her experience just from being the first lady.
8:39 PM
she is saying things that arent true to as schwinny said attack oboma
8:39 PM
i know its a compatition but she just isnt making me like her with her defences
natasa
8:39 PM
she obviously cant hold her own, shell just start crying again.
8:39 PM
Obama, "Hillary drove the bus into the ditch"
haha. attack
8:40 PM
Ohhhh!!! Obama got her! look at her eyes..they're so wide
natasa
8:40 PM
Ouch! He's saying that since she's a woman she can't drive a bus!
8:40 PM
Look at that evil stare Hilary is giving him. ha
8:41 PM
yeah, she's getting beat down.
8:41 PM
yeah, she's getting beat down.
8:41 PM
it's obvious that he doesn't have as much experience as Clinton but does having more experience really make her a better candidate? Is that what matters the most?
8:42 PM
He's calling her a flip flopper then, right? thats a turn seeing as how that what she kept calling him.
natasa
8:42 PM
arn't we trying to rebuild iraq, why would we just get up and leave?
8:42 PM
that could hurt, agreeing with georgy like that
8:43 PM
It doesn't hurt
8:43 PM
How do you think they would be as a team if they have so many of the same opinions?
8:43 PM
You cannot argue the matter of experience. HRC clearly has more, BO has only experience in being IL senator but his answers to questions and ways of presenting ideas makes it seem like he has done this before...HRC seems like she is a rookie being all nervous and flipping out
8:43 PM
You cannot argue the matter of experience. HRC clearly has more, BO has only experience in being IL senator but his answers to questions and ways of presenting ideas makes it seem like he has done this before...HRC seems like she is a rookie being all nervous and flipping out
8:43 PM
Ouch they'd both leave
8:44 PM
we would leave because we shouldnt really have invaded in the first place, and it is a war that was too stupid to go into, but we arent taking out everyone we will still rebuild so we dont have another situation like we did that started WWII
8:44 PM
You cannot argue the matter of experience. HRC clearly has more, BO has only experience in being IL senator but his answers to questions and ways of presenting ideas makes it seem like he has done this before...HRC seems like she is a rookie being all nervous and flipping out
8:44 PM
she needs to just answer the questions
8:44 PM
Watch closely to see if they attack each other SO much that it would be impossible for them to be on the same DREAM Ticket (Obama-V HRC-VP..or vice versa)??
8:44 PM
thats smart argue with the questionair.
8:44 PM
Wow he's really not letting her finish talking. and hil's getting pissed that she can't speak. is he doing mostly to her b/c she a woman?
natasa
8:45 PM
The hypothetical issue is bothering HRC, probably because she refuses to actually answer any of them, she never gives a straight yes or no answer, whereas BO does while still developing an answer, I never know what HRC thinks after one of her answeres
8:45 PM
I don't think they'd run together
8:45 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Clinton pretty much just said that she doesn't like to prepare for the worst, right? She hates those hypothetical situations...but shouldn't she have an answer for those...All she does is trash BO instead of give a solid response revealing her true stance
8:45 PM
they keep cutting her off...
8:46 PM
Elbaum - I think that we are past the point of no return in terms of the dream ticket, each needs to begin thinking of a different VP, Hil has just been to offensive to be considered at this point
8:46 PM
she is soooooo pist
8:47 PM
Isn't that what happened to Germany we left and didnt rebuild it so it became a dictatorship Will this happen to Iraq?
8:47 PM
question for the room..is it that people LOVE obama or HATE Hill? Both? Neither?
8:47 PM
GREAT Question Kaycie...I was thinking the same thing...good teaching elbaum. i remember that
8:47 PM
She keeps blaming him...And attacking.
8:48 PM
Keep talking Clinton! That will win you the election!
8:48 PM
both Mr.Elbaum
8:49 PM
Elbaum- most people probably think that I am anti-Hil, this is true, but that doesn't make me prObama, I haven't made up my mind but there is a good change I will vote for Mac, Hil is just to much of a politician
8:49 PM
Just got a text message...looks like a bad night for SHS basketball
8:49 PM
Hillary is trying to attack Obama, but Barack is keeping his cool. There is no way Clinton is taking down Obama in this debate.
8:49 PM
elbaum, whats the score?
8:50 PM
Both, They hate Hillary due to her being fake, and some people like Obama because he gives them a sense that there will be change.
8:50 PM
I think more people hate Hil. But I don't think its something that just happens. I think there's a large percentage of people that started indifferent and after just one time watching these two near each other they realize that they love BO or hate Hil. I don't think its set before anything is ever said. Hilary brings it upon herself
8:51 PM
I get that she wants to talk and tell the poeple her opinion, but she's about it all wrong. she not put together or anything and she keeps getting cut off. im starting to feel bad for her but not wnough to like her. BO looks and sound calm and collect. hes totally doing better
natasa
8:51 PM
i heard from Mr. Conneen that they lost by 16
8:51 PM
i agree with shwinny
8:52 PM
I personally, can't stand the entire Clinton family. Hillary plays so dirty and she just doesn't seem very presidential to me.
8:52 PM
oooo....why was hil late?
natasa
8:52 PM
did hil just pick a wedgie..
8:52 PM
What a soooooothing voice
8:53 PM
HRC making fun of Obama
8:53 PM
hahaha mistake by MSNBC
8:53 PM
Haha, people like Obama because he still has that sense of humor
8:53 PM
Elbaum
Is it just me or does HRC look really desperate to score a big win here. She seems more aggressive than she has in any debate to date, she has even started arguing with the host of the show. How do you think Obama is handling her attempts to ridicule him?
Kyle Fairbanks
8:54 PM
I liked that tape... her yellow jacket really spoke to me :)
8:54 PM
wow Hillary has a really annoying laugh
8:54 PM
That is dirty of her..but BO is cool with it. Hes doing better for himself
natasa
8:54 PM
i also agree with shwin, i think so many people despise hil bc she has just a bad rep. so people automatically turn to obama.
8:54 PM
hahaha BO: Sounds good
8:54 PM
Obama is hitting Bush/Cheney, going after the GOP and not Hil, definitely a comment geared towards the General Election and not Primary...
8:56 PM
Kyle,
I agree. HRC looks like she;s trying to attack yet stay collected at the same time..she's kind of all over the place. If I was giving her advice I'd say, to quote the West Wing, let Hillary be Hillary (you catch that Jay?)
8:57 PM
yeah i really dont see that Potus and Vpotus team. if hill were to be the Vpotus she would drive BO crazy trying to control everything
natasa
8:57 PM
its beyond that schwinn is right, but its also that the united states might not be ready for a female president, also men are supposed to resemble power and strength, lets not split hairs here, thats just the way some people men and women look at it, and when it comes to womens right america is probably the top for womens rights being great, so what would it look like for another country if we have a female president?
8:57 PM
Obama is in prevent defense
8:58 PM
wow she really doesnt shut up does she?
8:58 PM
Question for the room...DOES HRC'S FIRST LADY EXPERIENCE COUNT AS EXPERIENCE?
8:59 PM
he might be in defence, but it is a confident defence, and its not just personal attack after personal attack
8:59 PM
Hillary needs to shut up and start attacking BO, not the president of the united states and the vpotus. It seems that Obama has had a good response for every arguement clinton has made so far.
9:00 PM
It absolutely counts as experience, I don't think people realize how much the FLOTUS actually is engaged in politics, but Obama is right, she can't pick and choose
9:00 PM
Elbaum,
yes it does coount..she was an adviser to bill
9:01 PM
So basically she cant just take credit for the GOOD things. if ses been on board for that long, shes been involved in the not so good things too.
9:01 PM
i think being the first lady counts as expierence. she was around it and knows the drills, etc.
9:01 PM
obomas attack isnt personal like hills, its just factual and that is what is more powerful
9:02 PM
But Jay, she doesn't have veto power over her Husband..so she may have disagreed with him, but would have to remain silent by his side..doesn't seem fair
9:02 PM
i agree gina
9:02 PM
Any white house experience counts as experience! There's no doubt about it - Hillary knows her way around.
Off to watch the debate! :)
9:03 PM
Being first lady doesn't count as experience because she never had any real responsibility. She was important because she was the president's wife (even though Bill forgot he had a wife while in office). The first lady doesn't ever have to take responsibility for a problem that may occur, so why should she take credit for things either.
9:03 PM
In the second segment, HRC seems much calmer and more restrained
9:04 PM
I think she needs to accept both aspects, she gets the benefits of the experience but must also face the downfalls of the administration, she takes everything or nothing, and its politics, it doesn't need to be fair
In terms of public financing, what exactly has Obama said he will support?
9:05 PM
good question for hil..let's see where that $ is coming from
9:05 PM
Don't smile...Hillary.
She just loves atacking him.
9:05 PM
She technically has experience to the extent that she knows her way around the white house, but she doesn't know how to handle foreign affairs, how to deal with taxes, how to do anything anymore than BO does. She can't claim experience because she was married to the POTUS.
9:06 PM
Did she really just plug her website to get donations?
9:06 PM
Hillary needs to bankroll her campaign because America likes Obama a lot better (winning ten straight states is proof).
9:07 PM
lets be honest she was there but we dont really know how much she did, and she couldnt have been around bill that much, because i mean he got around he got around on her without her knowing
9:07 PM
barely have time to sleep?
youre running for pres what the heck do you expect?
9:07 PM
The schedule is support important to demonstrate what she really stood and what experience she got during her stay as FLOTUS
9:07 PM
i agree shwinny
9:07 PM
Anti Semites for Obama!
9:09 PM
Obama is becoming flustered on the idea of denouncing his supporter, he doesn't want to come out against him but he can't agree with him, tough spot for BO
9:09 PM
uh oh kinda cought oboma there
9:09 PM
Obama's preacher hates Jews
9:10 PM
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