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Thursday, November 30, 2006

It's getting a little DRAFTY in here




After the November midterm elections, Representative Charlie Rangel, who will soon be the chairman of the powerful House Ways and Means committee, offered his own solution of how to handle the war in Iraq. Rangel, a Democratic Congressman from NY, is planning on introducing legislation next month that will bring back the draft for all men and women from ages 18-41.

"If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can't do that without a draft," Rangel said.

Is Rangel on to something? Few disagree with the assertion that our military is spread very thin. If Iran goes nuclear (which it probably will), and situation in Iraq isn’t settled (which it probably won’t), where else would the U.S. get their troops if we needed to defend ourselves?

Here’s what we do know: The Selective Service System, an agency independent of the Defense Department, keeps an updated registry of men age 18-25 (now about 16 million) from which to supply untrained draftees that would add to our all-volunteer armed forces if needed.

In other words, they know where to find you.

It’s worth examining the history of the draft in this country. The draft was used during the Civil War, both world wars, and between 1948-1973. Both the Civil War and the War in Vietnam, much like the War in Iraq, were incredibly unpopular. During the Civil War, men could avoid the draft by paying a certain dollar amount to the federal government, or by getting someone to serve in his place. In the 1960’s, a man could get out of serving in Vietnam if he was furthering his education. In other words, in these cases, the well-born were able to avoid battlefield.

Rich man’s war, poor man’s fight.

If conscription were brought back, a change would have to be made. College would no longer be an excuse. Stevenson students (Rangel wants both men and women) beware. Uncle Sam may demand your services in the near future.

So is a draft in the best interest of our republic? Patriot of ’76 asked two of Stevenson’s brightest scholars to weigh in on this issue. We got both the liberal and conservative perspective.

We welcome in two first time bloggers. Angry Young Republican vs. CrewU. Well, who do you think came out on top?


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--Angry Young Republican---

Currently, the United states, along with limited support from other allies is fighting a war in Iraq. This war is not against the Iraqi army, or any specific enemy, but something called an insurgency; defined as an insurrection against an existing government, usually one's own, by a group not recognized as having the status of a belligerent.

Our intentions going in to Iraq have shifted from defeating a Tyrant, and discovering weapons of mass destruction. Now we are in Iraq for different reasons. We are trying to keep the region safe, so it does not become a breeding ground for terrorist activities. Along with that, we are installing a democratic government for stability.

No matter if you believe if our cause is noble or not we started this mess, it is on our heads to get out of it. A recent Gallop poll indicates that a whopping 59% of Americans are already sick of Iraq. As reasonable American people we need to find a solution to get us out of Iraq quickly, while making it safe for the future. The Army has missed its recruiting targets since February and last month unexpectedly lowered its benchmark from 8,050 to 6,700 recruits and still only reached 75 percent of that downsized goal. The National Guard and Reserve have suffered a similar 25 percent shortfall. The army is desperate for solders they are now taking Applicants who score in the 10th to 30th percentile range on the military's standardized aptitude test are now being accepted at higher rates. Making matters worse, junior Army leaders are quitting after their enlistment.

With the army having enlistment problems, and the Iraq conflict going downhill, it is now necessary to reinstate the draft. With more troops on the ground, it would be possible to use a tactic called overwhelming force. This would enable us to shut down the insurgency, and give the military the ability to select the most suitable people for combat instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel. On top of that, with more smarter solders, the conflict would end more quickly.

Army captain Phil Carter wrote in the Washington Monthly in March. "It can be the world's superpower, or it can maintain the all-volunteer military, but it probably can't do both."

--CrewU--

There are many reasons why there should not be a military draft. My main problem is it will force people that are against the war to fight and die for cause for which they don’t believe. If someone has a religious or moral objection to shooting someone, I think that it’s unfair for the government to force them to do so.

Another reason is because of the don’t ask, don’t tell law. If a person that was draft went into the recruitment office, and then all they have to do is say out loud that they are gay and then they would not be allowed to go into the military.

The next reason is because of the bill that is going in front of Congress right now has major problems. The bill is stating that there should be a draft for people to serve 2 years over seas for people between the ages of 18-41. There are a couple of problems with this proposal. What happens if a student is in college at the particular point of time? Are people not going to be able to go to college in the off chance that they are going to be called upon? The problem with this is that nobody is going to know when they are going to be called and cannot make any commitments. What are people going to think of the government then? Think about it. A draft will lead to mass protests and a decrease of patriotism.

The last problem with the draft is the medical aspect. A lot of people these days have medical deformities, what is the government going to do with them. Citizens will think that it is unfair that the government is not taking those people into the military. Those people are then going to go have surgery or something to show the government that they are not capable of being medically fit to join the military.

In my opinion the military should be completely voluntary.

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13 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

More like CRAZY young Republican....

Are you nuts? Why is is fair for me to serve in a war that I completely disagree with? We were never attacked. THe war in IRAQ is a WAR OF CHOICE. Well, I CHOOSE not to serve

5:52 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chosing not to serve is shamefull.
Go to Iran, or france we dont want you, also, you cant come back.
Its not a matter of if you agree with the conflict or not, its a matter of weather you are loyal to America. And if you hate this war so much, we can end it with overwhelming force.

-AYR

10:33 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Angry Young Republican,

Estimates tell us that tens of thousands (if not more) of civilians have died since the U.S. had invaded. And tell me AYR, what have we gained? 300 plus Iraqis died last MONTH. How is the world safer? Overwhelming force??? How about we get out of there??!?!?!?!

7:49 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm with Angry young republican...imagine if everyone served their country, and then cameback and went to college. The country would be a safer place

7:51 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Angry Young Republican is right. If you got a problem, GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY

9:54 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In Israel, whenever someone turns 18, they automatically go into the army. No matter what, there are different fields, not everyone actually works on the battle field. I think it builds character and living in America, we should fight for our freedom and country. If someone does not agree with the war, they can try to be in intelligence and help find a solution to the war. There is a way for everyone to help and people should stop being lazy and serve our country because its not going to serve itself. If no one stands up to protect our country, then there will be no United States. Everyone in the United States has to become united, suck it up, and serve the army.
=)

4:34 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I listened to the debate...AYR, you're the man!

11:19 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CrewU...If you don't like the idea of defending freedom- GET OUT OF THIS COUNTRY. "Freedom isn't free"...in other words- we have to pay for it

5:34 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about we get out of there??!?!?!?!

Hmm, good point. Lets work with this for a minute. If we were to "cut and run" what would happen?

First off, Iraq would become a terrorist state. Because of a lack of a stable government terrorist's would infultrate, and create traning camps. This would lead to more people becoming trained to attack the US. If your so focused on preventing a loss of life, imagine another 9/11, or maybe a tactical nuke, or large amounts of cyanide in our water supply.

It is necessary to set up Iraq with a fair democratic government free of opression. In order to do this, whe have to play security guard for a short period of time, and whipe out the insurgencey.

Also, thank you for the support, and as for the haters picture this.

People are willing to die for you so you can badmouth military service. Its not an issue of weather you are conservitive or liberal, we need this to end, so we can move on to making america a better place.

Cheers,
AYR

Ps; Yes I know my spelling/grammer usage is crap. Deal with it :)

9:18 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are currently losing thousands of armed service members a month. With a draft, and an increase in the number of servicemen and women, naturally, we stand to lose an even larger number of our nation's young people. Something doesn't add up here...

9:42 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are loosing people in the military for our freedoms. AYR is right. WOuld you rather they just train and blow us all up? Um no.
We need to fight for our safety..it is not going to just be served to us on a silver platter

7:35 PM

 
Blogger JLS said...

i must say the draft is something that completely scares me. i fear going overseas to serve in the army/navy or possibly to fight in a horrifying war. I believe this conscription would be forcing people into a war they do not agree with and making them risk their education, families, and lives. However, I need to acknowledge Israel. The Israelis are required to join the army at the age of 18. This has led to creation of a small yet formidable, disciplined and strategic group of armed forces. I believe instituting a draft would actually BETTER our armed forces and possibly lead to a quicker end to a war.....who knows though.

9:34 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Personally, being drafted scares me to death. I want to go to college and have a normal life.

But... I realize this is selfish. Of course I want a good life, thats what I'm used to (especially having been raised in the Northwest suburbs of Chicago).

Whether or not we agree with the war, there is at least a common consensus that we are fighting terrorism in order to establish peace and safety.

There is a bigger picture that extends beyond the luxuries we were given as students of Stevenson. Someone worked hard for us to be here. In fact, people people struggled and died so we could have the liberties and opportunities we now have.

I can't remember the last thing I did to thank those people.

-RED

9:43 PM

 

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